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Post by Metis on Sept 21, 2014 4:04:50 GMT
I also heard that! But I better not have very high expectation because it will hurt if I fall. ＞＜
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Post by Foxnull on Sept 21, 2014 4:10:54 GMT
I also heard that! But I better not have very high expectation because it will hurt if I fall. ＞＜ Do what i do!  |
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Post by Metis on Sept 21, 2014 4:15:05 GMT
What's in the gif will happen to me if in the end they really do make the Live Action. ＾ ｑ ＾
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Post by Foxnull on Sept 21, 2014 4:16:41 GMT
What's in the gif will happen to me if in the end they really do make the Live Action. ＾ ｑ ＾ I'll be reading about it on my phone or something while i'm walking down the stairs, and BOOM. Instant gif.  |
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Post by M on Sept 21, 2014 8:01:26 GMT
Excuse me? I take it understanding sarcasm or humor is not your strong suit.
Maybe not. I personally never found the "tl;dr" thing to be very humorous, I find it a little rude, but that could just be me.
Perhaps, my mistake. But the same could be said for not being able to handle light-hearted criticism of your personal views.
Uhm... I actually wanted to receive criticism on my personal views, but instead of that I got criticism on the length of my post, lol. I kind of enjoy people disagreeing with me, I like listening to different opinions, that's how I learn new things... But you didn't really address any of my views...
You were saying something about short attention spans?
Well, me not watching the video had more to do with not being interested in it. I've heard plenty on that subject and I didn't feel like committing 7 minutes to watching it, on the off-chance that she might say something I didn't already hear elsewhere before.
As do i, though If you feel it is appropriate or respectful to the OP to further derail his thread into a socio-political debate, then by all means. Continue.
I simply threw food for thought. I accused anime of perpetuating stereotypes that don't grab my attention, stated why I think they're there and in the end said that it also happened in Western media. His thread is about watching anime, I explained why I find it hard to sometimes.
I can understand people wanting to keep discussions simple and not delve into these things; in that case they can just ignore my post and keep chatting about what they watch/watched.
If the OP feels I was disrespectful, I'll gladly back out of their thread.
Considering the nature of forums, I honestly wonder how many would agree with you about that.
Not sure what you mean...
To clarify, I'm not really having an argument or bickering. People are free to disagree about things, I wish that's what happened.
I just got disappointed in seeing a response to my post saying "holy shit", "tl;dr" and "moving onto other things".
I don't think you meant any harm with it, but I couldn't help it coming off as distasteful, hence my response.
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Post by Foxnull on Sept 21, 2014 21:21:01 GMT
 I tend to keep my personal/political beliefs separate from my public/professional affairs. Good business, and people tend to get along better that way, unless im asked of course. I however, do not agree with generalization (especially racial) for the sake of it, regardless of preference. Most people tend to cherry-pick in gardens that don't even have cherries, so to speak. In entertainment there is something for everyone, even the most niche groups, so in all honesty if i don't like horror movies and decide to pay a ticket for one only to complain afterwards, it's my own fault. Likewise, i highly disagree with western imperialism dictating what other countries should and should not do. Different cultures are different cultures, variety is variety, as with religions, as with philosophies, et cetera. I have no right to tell an entire race of people how to behave because of one misguided personal bias or another. That isn't my place. That isn't to say society should accept every variety, it has a duty to protect the people from the irrational and the dangerous. Just because some lunatic says the end of the world is coming, that doesn't make it true. Words can be dangerous things, depending on who they're coming from. The truth is in the eye of the beholder, but the world has many interpretations. And just because someone speaks, that doesn't mean what he/she is saying is logical or beneficial to everyone involved. Im personally a fan of doing your own research, and keeping an open mind. To me thats a personal matter, not a public one.  You have my two cents, take it as you will. Go spend it on something nice, like some tootsie rolls. Or whatever else you can buy with 2 cents. And if it wasn't obvious already, i will continue to highly disagree with the political direction this thread is going in. Let's lighten up, life's short. |
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Post by denauli on Sept 22, 2014 0:44:15 GMT
I've got mixed feelings about anime. I grew up watching Sailor Moon, Pokémon... I was a child so I found those to be entertaining. As a teen I was surrounded by people who loved anime; I didn't share their interest in it, but out of peer pressure I attempted several times to "get into it". I was always attracted to the art style, I think it looks very pretty, I love the way anime characters look... but most other things were bad, for me, simply because they reflected Japanese society/culture. I know there's a lot of japanophiles who think Japan's the best country on earth, but, realistically, a few things stink. I dislike a lot of anime for its repetitive tropes and emphasis on strict gender roles. One of my favourite animes was Death Note, but, looking back, I can only remember two female characters... one of them was an annoying airhead with no depth that had developed an obsession for the show's protagonist, and her only "role" was to do as he bidded, never acting of her own accord or thinking for herself because she was happy being an idiot. The other character was a former FBI agent who abandoned her job to be a housemaid in Japan. I can appreciate a good story and I don't particularly care about "gender equality" in fiction. For example, I love Game of Thrones even though the setting's violent and mysoginistic... however, it has different and unique characters, each with their own qualities and attributes. When you look at anime characters, they're one-sided, stereotypical and repetitive... The main boy will generally be super protective and brave, the girl will shriek, cower in fear and be useless, occasionally showing a sensual side. I know there are exceptions to the rule, I know there are all sorts of anime, with different messages, and that's why I bothered to find my niche. What it comes down to though, is that what sells and has large following is what I consider to be garbage. I hope I'm not coming across as some sort of radical feminist that fell out of tumblr, I dislike the type and think their opinions stem from traumatic penis-envy. I don't feel particularly passionate about "women's struggles", because everyone has their struggles and things more or less balance out. However, I like works of fictions that inspire people to break society's norms and more or less encourage people to express their individuality, show them something new, help them find themselves, and not perpetuate the thought that they should be like everyone else by glorifying mediocre tropes. The phenomenom of making people converge towards displaying certain traits based on their gender is also prevalent in Western culture, but it seems even worse in Japan. I've always been attracted to difference, I think it shows people's capacity to think for themselves, or at least of making themselves interesting. The people I meet day to day all seem bland, aspiring for the same things, even displaying similar patterns of speech. It doesn't bother me but I don't like feeling people are uninteresting and shallow. To an extent, I blame society in general and the media for perpetuating their silly conservative image of who we should be. Essentially, I feel this is why a lot of people don't like who they are; because they've been forced into a restrictive mold that confines their behaviour. Anyway, I've a lot to say on the subject but I feel I'm getting off-topic. I hope I got the point across on why most anime is uninteresting to me. I can't like a character because he "always wins" or because "her clothes are pretty". It feels shallow and the characterization of anime characters seems lacking, with little depth, often the emphasis seems to be on their deeds and superficial qualities, rather than on who they are and their "meaningful" goals/beliefs. Hope this sparks up some kind of debate without entirely derailing the thread, lol! PS: I am generally more attracted to villains than heroes, and noticed I seem to be alone in this. PPS: I dislike "save the world" stories... if one's in front of me, I hope the world gets destroyed! PPPS: If anyone felt offended by my criticism on Japan's conservative gender roles because they feel I should respect their "traditions" and "way of life", I'll say that in Kuwait, a man goes to prison for kissing another man; in other Middle-Eastern countries, he gets beheaded. This being said, I don't feel particularly obligated to "respect" any country's customs or traditions if they're illogical and non-sensical. PPPPS: I like Yaoi  I wanted to respond more thoughtfully to this post~ I can understand how you feel. I enjoy the art styles of many series, but certain story plots pop up so frequently that it becomes monotonous in such a bad way. And a lot does stem from problems I have with Japanese culture. Now I do love to study the country and it's culture, but there are some troublesome points. Strict conformity to gender roles is kind of annoying. Many Western countries have moved away from this, but Japan has remained a bit slow to change on issues of gender. Now that's not a major bad thing, but it creates a lot of the same characters over and over again. Then characters that do not conform, the ones who break the mold, are treated pretty negatively in most respects. I'm thinking of some antagonist characters in Tokyo Ghoul who are way too flamboyant and written in a way that the viewer finds them repugnant and annoying. Other problems I have stem from, what I can only guess, is fan service. In series that I've seen there seems to be an incest plot that develops. Watching Sword Art online I really enjoyed it. Sure there was some big bewb jiggles every so often, but not distracting. Then SWO2 comes out and we get that incest love plot, skimpy outfits, and borderline tentacle hentai. Really shows how they started being more heavy handed targeting young male audiences. Too much of this takes away from good plot development and is part of why I get tired of many series. Then there are the series that stretch on for ages that I really don't have time to watch and I'm not going to weed out all the fluff just to see story arcs. I love Inuyasha to death, but I probably won't marathon it anytime soon. I do enjoy a good villain. Whether a tragic villain or many an anti-hero. Yassss!!! And I've never seen much yaoi, but I'm thinking I'd really like it....  |
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Post by denauli on Sept 22, 2014 0:55:53 GMT
As of now, there is no Anime I'm watching due to my free-time being limited but I still read manga, whether it is in Japanese or English. I read Shingeki no Kyojin! dontjudgemeforthisokay ＞＜ A message to OP: If you want to watch something that enhances your Japanese, watch the Japanese non-anime movie or live action instead. It can help a lot. ^^ I really wish I could read manga. Or even DC/Marvel comics and graphic novels. I'm not sure why it just doesn't mesh with me. The only thing I got through was a graphic novel adaptation of Anne Rice's Interview with the Vampire: Claudia's Story. I gravitate towards darkness and blood  I wouldn't be opposed to live-action dramas, I just haven't invested much time into looking up any hehe. I heard they might be making a shingeki no kyojin live action film as well. But i have no idea if that's just a rumor. I heard this too, I thought it was gonna be a thing. I'd be interested in seeing how these shenanigans would play out lol. |
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Post by Foxnull on Sept 22, 2014 1:59:11 GMT
I just remembered the greatest anime live-action adaption ever. Im kidding, im kidding dont stone me to death please, lol. |
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Post by denauli on Sept 22, 2014 6:08:57 GMT
I was about to say: "wasn't that infamously bad?"
I really wouldn't know. I never saw it, and I never watched Speed Racer to begin with. See, I had no childhood lol.
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Post by M on Sept 22, 2014 6:10:50 GMT
I wanted to respond more thoughtfully to this post~ I can understand how you feel. I enjoy the art styles of many series, but certain story plots pop up so frequently that it becomes monotonous in such a bad way. And a lot does stem from problems I have with Japanese culture. Now I do love to study the country and it's culture, but there are some troublesome points. Strict conformity to gender roles is kind of annoying. Many Western countries have moved away from this, but Japan has remained a bit slow to change on issues of gender. Now that's not a major bad thing, but it creates a lot of the same characters over and over again. Then characters that do not conform, the ones who break the mold, are treated pretty negatively in most respects. I'm thinking of some antagonist characters in Tokyo Ghoul who are way too flamboyant and written in a way that the viewer finds them repugnant and annoying. Other problems I have stem from, what I can only guess, is fan service. In series that I've seen there seems to be an incest plot that develops. Watching Sword Art online I really enjoyed it. Sure there was some big bewb jiggles every so often, but not distracting. Then SWO2 comes out and we get that incest love plot, skimpy outfits, and borderline tentacle hentai. Really shows how they started being more heavy handed targeting young male audiences. Too much of this takes away from good plot development and is part of why I get tired of many series. Then there are the series that stretch on for ages that I really don't have time to watch and I'm not going to weed out all the fluff just to see story arcs. I love Inuyasha to death, but I probably won't marathon it anytime soon. I do enjoy a good villain. Whether a tragic villain or many an anti-hero. Yassss!!! And I've never seen much yaoi, but I'm thinking I'd really like it.... I think you get me! I'm rather glad I never watched that Sword Art thing now. I'd definitely feel weird. Also, voice acting in anime... It disturbs me. Mostly because, racially-speaking, Asians tend to have deeper voices when compared to Caucasians. However, watching anime, it's full of hyper chipmunks. Regardless of what people might say, it is not natural; those voices are rehearsed, so I just perceive it as fake/strange, and not really "kawaii" like they try to make it sound. I wouldn't care if one character in a few spoke like that, but it's all of them, lol! It's the norm... I am not sure if it's perceived as attractive or what, but it's very childlike... I can't help feeling weird looking at a character that looks like a young teenager, has the voice of a child, but keeps getting "subtly" sexualized through exaggerated characteristics like oversized breasts. It just makes me think of pedophilia and I start cringing, I cannot understand it. Since you mentioned Yaoi... I dared watch the first episode to a Yaoi series that's really popular (apparently for the wrong reasons), and pedophilia is exactly what it was. Some prepubescent boy experimenting with some adult. I was grossed out, couldn't finish watching it and had that scene stuck in my mind for the rest of the day. I had no idea what I was getting into... I don't think it should be censored or not exist, but I just fail to understand how stuff like that gets popular/trendy. I think maybe I'm just too cynical to ignore all these little anime fads. EDIT: So my post isn't too much of a downer, I started watching Black Butler. I like the Victorian era, so maybe I'll be able to get into it. =) |
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Post by nijunikuro on Sept 28, 2014 15:24:23 GMT
@m:You might be interested in this one, then. Sadly, I haven't watched it myself, so I can't really say if its any good.  I'd recommend watching the "Angel Beats!". It's one of my favorite (if not the favorite) anime.
Watched it, loved it, would recommend it.
I also hear "Psycho Pass" is good. Unfortunately, I haven't watched it myself yet.
Um... Isn't that the 2nd half of the 1st season? >.> I Haven't watched the 2nd one, but I sill remember those. Personally, I think they should've ended the whole series after the 1st story arc (1st half of the 1st season) ended. I don't think I'll be picking up the 2nd season anytime soon (if ever). If you want a similar "trapped-in-an-MMO" anime, but approached completely differently, try "Log Horizon". Unlike SAO, LH actually works like an MMO - as in, the characters respawn after dying. Sadly, the story ended simply with a "To be Continued". I hear a 2nd season's coming soon, tho.
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Post by Foxnull on Sept 29, 2014 1:58:08 GMT
I know i run the incredible risk of getting lynched for saying this but... I know both these shows aren't technically "anime" since they weren't made in japan, but i'd wager all my coin nobody's done a better job at adopting the style and form so well. Since i'm mostly a fan of action/comedy i myself got really bored of how many shonen characters seemed really interchangeable and cookie-cutter. I mean if you look at Naruto, Bleach, Etc. Different setting, same sort of deal. But i'm not gonna lie, i do love these two shows (the ones i spoilered) i think they're well-written with a diverse range of characters, deep plot-lines and environments. Perhaps Die-Hard anime fans might not be interested, but i think they're a unique east-meets-west experiment Im going to run very fast now.  |
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Post by denauli on Sept 29, 2014 5:17:07 GMT
@denauli:I'd recommend watching the "Angel Beats!". It's one of my favorite (if not the favorite) anime.
Watched it, loved it, would recommend it.
I also hear "Psycho Pass" is good. Unfortunately, I haven't watched it myself yet.
Um... Isn't that the 2nd half of the 1st season? >.> I Haven't watched the 2nd one, but I sill remember those. Personally, I think they should've ended the whole series after the 1st story arc (1st half of the 1st season) ended. I don't think I'll be picking up the 2nd season anytime soon (if ever). If you want a similar "trapped-in-an-MMO" anime, but approached completely differently, try "Log Horizon". Unlike SAO, LH actually works like an MMO - as in, the characters respawn after dying. Sadly, the story ended simply with a "To be Continued". I hear a 2nd season's coming soon, tho.
I have watched Angel Beats! I loved it. This scene especially:
I'd recently gone through a breakup so I was a mess after watching that lol. It was a great series. But you're right. My problems with SAO started on the second half of the first season. Honestly it was pretty good up until that first story arc ended. SAO2 still has much of the fan service, like big bewbs bouncing all over teh place for no particular reason. Which isn't so bad. But in a recent episode, I think 12, there is basically just dialogue between Kirito and Sinon. And it should be serious and dramatic, but we still have time for at least 3 extended shots of Sinon's rear end. Which is sad, because her character has some interesting issues she's trying to overcome, so things like that just seem a bit degrading. It's an unfortunate way to handle her character I did start watching Log Horizon. I forget why I stopped. I only got to episode 7 or so. But I did enjoy what I saw. My friend told me she thought that series was geared more towards a younger audience. Which I guess is apparent in its tone. I'm not a prude or anything. But I like a series with interesting characters that it treats fairly and all that junk  |
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Post by denauli on Sept 29, 2014 5:28:34 GMT
I know i run the incredible risk of getting lynched for saying this but... I know both these shows aren't technically "anime" since they weren't made in japan, but i'd wager all my coin nobody's done a better job at adopting the style and form so well. Since i'm mostly a fan of action/comedy i myself got really bored of how many shonen characters seemed really interchangeable and cookie-cutter. I mean if you look at Naruto, Bleach, Etc. Different setting, same sort of deal. But i'm not gonna lie, i do love these two shows (the ones i spoilered) i think they're well-written with a diverse range of characters, deep plot-lines and environments. Perhaps Die-Hard anime fans might not be interested, but i think they're a unique east-meets-west experiment Im going to run very fast now. I'm happy you brought this up actually. I think in Japan, anime describes anything that is animated. Outside though, the term seems to imply Japanese in origin. Series that use an anime style are considered animesque (sp?). I'm not picky about terms though. But I consider Avatar to be heavily inspired by anime while still conveying American standards of animation and drawing. ATLA was a great series. Though I agree with many fans who criticize it for sort of failing to develop many characters who should have been flushed out better. Like Toph and Suki in particular. But overall, I'm still a huge fan. (Let's pretend like the film adaptation doesn't exist) LoK had a lot of potential, but I feel like the fates have conspired against it. I think that's due in large part to how Nickelodeon has handled the series. Originally it was meant to be a single series, correct? Which contributed heavily to pacing issues in season 1. As a self-contained story arc it felt a bit awkward in parts, but still did a decent job of expanding the Avatar universe. The the green light for season 2, then later for season 3. And you can kind of see how the writing is a bit all over the place trying to get a story going with the new lengths in mind. Meanwhile giving it unfavorable timeslots until ultimately making it a web series. Which is fine as it has the most views online. But it just seems like Nick is more interested in promoting shows like Spongebob while neglecting LoK because, I assume, it's not geared towards its target demographic, but still retains a large enough fan base. I admit, I haven't seen the last season, but I did like how they started changing things up. Korra became much more likable, though I was still on the fence with the whole forced love triangle thing. And that water bending Twins were freaking great. |
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