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Post by kingyoh on Oct 26, 2014 18:08:12 GMT
I am trying to create a melee build because I usually go for DD or shotmage but now I'm trying something new. I have a couple of builds I want to try which are these:
Build C7 rush C9 atk C9 WK C1 ST (Retal: c5.8 )
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C7 rush C8 atk C9 WK C2 ST (Retal: c6)
and so for my stats I would max str, luck 80-90 and the rest goes to vit. I was thinking of being Law because the good SS they have like Uriel, rapheal and others
I want a build that can not only attack but can rush as well as, does anyone have any suggestions to make the build better i've heard of crushing technique but not sure how to add it in. Is 36k now the maximum amount of experttise you can get if I reach 90's?
thx for your time
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Post by kingyoh on Oct 27, 2014 19:42:28 GMT
Anyone know which chain is better for me Conditions of Melee Combat or Rampage or is there any others that would go with retal and also how can I get the chain Mastery of Three Forms of Life as it seems that it can be helpful?
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Post by dukeeligor on Oct 28, 2014 13:53:55 GMT
I'm not an expert with melee since I use a gunner but I think 80-90 luck is a bit too much, you should have at best 20-30 luck, moreover as a melee and with no vitality you will be killed really quikly. If you really want high luck, you should use equipment and tarot/ss that raise luck and use a lucky/shinny demon. also there is not many law ss for melee, uriel and scathach are the only ones really usefull. when you reach level 90 you will have 26000 expertise, but with the casino, diaspora and some quests you can reach a maximum of 42000 linkI think rampage is better than condition of melee combat and mastery of the three forms of life can only be obtained once you have finished all the acts and are at level 98
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Post by kingyoh on Oct 28, 2014 16:35:32 GMT
Are there any good melee rush or spin or another one build that would work with rampage and regal or conditions of melee combat. I want one or even 2 chains if they work well together with rampage but with pursuit I'm not really sure how it works? Crushing Technique is the same as adding luck because of the crit bonuses which would be good for melee but then again its got nothing to do with rampage which sounds better than conditions of melees combat with its cool downs and power ups. With conditions of melee comabt you wouldn't need luck cuz of crushing technique but with rampage you would? For my stats max strength is need but luck is need for crits and vit is needed for hp it depends on the expertise as crushing techinque would mean less luck maybe and HP goes up anyone but would need more of it.... For alignment I chose Law mainly beacause of these SS:Uriel, Scathach, Pallas Athena, Raphael and chaos only has Phantom ss which is mainly for DD
Just writing some things I'm confused about hopefully I can get some advice before starting my character's expertise.
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Post by kerykeion8 on Oct 28, 2014 20:11:31 GMT
I, similarly to Duke, do not main melee characters but here is a couple more thoughts for you. Considering SS, you may want to consider Chaos alignment for Shiva crystals. On tarot the weapon based skill effects only comes with the chaos alignment, and the soul stone gives you a close range boost which will affect all close range as opposed to just rush or spin. (the extra strength, crit and more weapon based boost is nice too ). If you were to go law, you would indeed get some good buffs but you would be missing out on the raw strength. Just something for you to consider. As far as your expertise goes, here is possibly a potential build for you: C10 Crushing C9 Wk C2 Demonology C8 Attack C1 Survival Tech C7 Rush C2 Spin C3 Pursuit C8 Conditions of Melee Combat 5.6 Retal 4.6 Rampage =42k Exp You can always switch it up a bit if you want more or less of one chain expertise. You could always get less attack and more Survival Tech or Pursuit if you wanted more retal or rampage respectively. Hope this helps~
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Post by kingyoh on Oct 28, 2014 22:24:51 GMT
In crushing technique would all the crits add up cuz it would do so to 100 and if it does should I leave my luck to 19-28 cuz +2 when join a level 5 clan and the rest to vit and str. Btw thx for the help above just wondering would that build allow me to solo some of the harder dungeons?
conditions of melee mentions (Limit Break Chance + Level x 0.05) just wondering would I need some gear with limit break % for it to work?
One last thing which would be more helpful a spin melee or rush melee just wondering as I know spin can hit multiple targets whilst rush cannot
thx for your time
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Post by kerykeion8 on Oct 28, 2014 22:32:52 GMT
I apologize I can't really answer your first two questions confidently as I don't know the answers 100%. I do believe you should be fine with 20-30ish luck and the rest can go into str and vit.
It does seem like you need lb gear for the conditions of melee to matter. Any % chance would work it seems. But again I'm not sure there :/
As for the last point, it honestly depends on your play style. Spin tends to be used for crowd control while rush is more of a single target nuker. If your looking to solo, rush may be better for you, though you will have the attack exp either way. So really it depends on how you want to play .-.
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Post by RT on Nov 8, 2014 15:49:51 GMT
Get Demolition Dash.... and a demon with recarm and samarecarm.
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Post by kuroro on Dec 1, 2014 11:49:41 GMT
I, similarly to Duke, do not main melee characters but here is a couple more thoughts for you. Considering SS, you may want to consider Chaos alignment for Shiva crystals. On tarot the weapon based skill effects only comes with the chaos alignment, and the soul stone gives you a close range boost which will affect all close range as opposed to just rush or spin. (the extra strength, crit and more weapon based boost is nice too ). If you were to go law, you would indeed get some good buffs but you would be missing out on the raw strength. Just something for you to consider. As far as your expertise goes, here is possibly a potential build for you: C10 Crushing C9 Wk C2 Demonology C8 Attack C1 Survival Tech C7 Rush C2 Spin C3 Pursuit C8 Conditions of Melee Combat 5.6 Retal 4.6 Rampage =42k Exp You can always switch it up a bit if you want more or less of one chain expertise. You could always get less attack and more Survival Tech or Pursuit if you wanted more retal or rampage respectively. Hope this helps~ I would switch pursuit down to c2 and survival tech up to c2; retal 6 gives + 25% cls-range dmg and +100 crit (also +30% damage received) not sure if u'd wanna miss out on it. If you're law go for rush (more boosts ss wise) spin has more benefits with chaos soul stones^ that's only a recommendation though, u can go law-spin or chaos-rush too. And of course I'd recommend u being chaos because u miss out on some shiva ss benefits (1% weapon based dmg boost per tarot/8%cls-range boost on ss)
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Post by kerykeion8 on Dec 1, 2014 19:43:35 GMT
I would switch pursuit down to c2 and survival tech up to c2; retal 6 gives + 25% cls-range dmg and +100 crit (also +30% damage received) not sure if u'd wanna miss out on it. If you're law go for rush (more boosts ss wise) spin has more benefits with chaos soul stones^ that's only a recommendation though, u can go law-spin or chaos-rush too. And of course I'd recommend u being chaos because u miss out on some shiva ss benefits (1% weapon based dmg boost per tarot/8%cls-range boost on ss) If I read correctly Rampage requires Class 3 Pursuit? The EN wiki may be wrong though ._. Therefore if you get rid of the pursuit you lose rampage but gain more retal? Just clarifying ^^ Thanks
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Post by kuroro on Dec 1, 2014 22:45:16 GMT
I would switch pursuit down to c2 and survival tech up to c2; retal 6 gives + 25% cls-range dmg and +100 crit (also +30% damage received) not sure if u'd wanna miss out on it. If you're law go for rush (more boosts ss wise) spin has more benefits with chaos soul stones^ that's only a recommendation though, u can go law-spin or chaos-rush too. And of course I'd recommend u being chaos because u miss out on some shiva ss benefits (1% weapon based dmg boost per tarot/8%cls-range boost on ss) If I read correctly Rampage requires Class 3 Pursuit? The EN wiki may be wrong though ._. Therefore if you get rid of the pursuit you lose rampage but gain more retal? Just clarifying ^^ Thanks Dang, you're actually right, I thought it was pursuit/spin/rush: 2 for rampage; that's totally my bad. Your setup seems pretty optimal then, don't think u can cut anything else off, at least I wouldnt sacrifice c8 conditions of melee combat^^
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Post by kerykeion8 on Dec 2, 2014 1:38:18 GMT
If I read correctly Rampage requires Class 3 Pursuit? The EN wiki may be wrong though ._. Therefore if you get rid of the pursuit you lose rampage but gain more retal? Just clarifying ^^ Thanks Dang, you're actually right, I thought it was pursuit/spin/rush: 2 for rampage; that's totally my bad. Your setup seems pretty optimal then, don't think u can cut anything else off, at least I wouldnt sacrifice c8 conditions of melee combat^^ It's no biggie melee is the one combat class that I am weakest in so I was basically going off of theoreticals Any new advice is much welcomed in my book :3
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Post by kingyoh on Dec 5, 2014 18:27:17 GMT
Are there any other ss and tarots apart from Shiva that would be right for rush melee if I become Chaos?
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Post by kerykeion8 on Dec 5, 2014 20:36:03 GMT
Are there any other ss and tarots apart from Shiva that would be right for rush melee if I become Chaos? This ---> link<--- and this ---> link<--- might be of some use to you. You can go through and see what you would like for your SS/Tarot sets. Do keep in mind that there are the Strength version of the Pentacles/Cups Tarots (I forget the name as of now sorry ^_^; That are good substitutes for Shiva Crystals if you can find them. There are also other non-demon ss/tarots out there.
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Post by kingyoh on Dec 11, 2014 19:39:26 GMT
thaks for everyones help btw I was wondering about the clothing/armour would these sets will work : LB set SA set Summer gothic set(leader set) or is there any new sets + accessories which would be more helpful?
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