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Post by yuichiru on Nov 5, 2015 4:28:02 GMT
I was wondering like in the English server before it was shut down. Remember when people bought AP or other points to buy things ingame? Is there a market of buyers for CP? Like if we had codes from lets say SEA Gamer mall what would the conversion be from cp to macca? from 5$, 10$, 20$, 25$, 30$, 40$, 50$, etc and etc... Please and thank you.
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Post by Ink on Nov 6, 2015 3:08:17 GMT
no
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Post by blazbluehero on Nov 6, 2015 3:19:53 GMT
iirc, selling CP is outlawed on the JP server
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Post by yuichiru on Nov 6, 2015 4:11:12 GMT
Thanks for the info.
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Post by brufh on Nov 8, 2015 1:04:36 GMT
Technically speaking we are all outlaws in the Japanese server and we get zero support even if we are paying customers (One of my clannies spent a lot and asked support for help with a problem, he wrote in perfect Japanese and they just said no support to overseas and pooped on him). You can't obviously spam in chat that your selling be it English or Japanese (don't shout in English), you can try and set up a Bazaar here on the forums and say you are buying or selling "Webmoney", if people buy it or not it's their choice tough i doubt people will be offended and CAVE has absolutely no way of knowing if your selling it since it's not related to them (you turn the webmoney to CP later). It's just a matter of personal trust, you give the webmoney to someone and then get the macca ingame or reverse.
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Post by 中村隆 on Nov 9, 2015 16:22:52 GMT
I was wondering like in the English server before it was shut down. Remember when people bought AP or other points to buy things ingame? Is there a market of buyers for CP? Like if we had codes from lets say SEA Gamer mall what would the conversion be from cp to macca? from 5$, 10$, 20$, 25$, 30$, 40$, 50$, etc and etc... Please and thank you. Here's an actual answer that no one can seem to ACTUALLY give, which I find highly disrespectful given the amount of responses. From what I have been told the general conversion rate between Macca and CP is 500k per 1 CP. Though it also completely depends on the object your buying and trying to sell. For instance like any market in any game, including the real world, there's not only a $$$ cost, but an overall value of that certain object. For example, it can be the same cost as another item and can possibly retain less value. For it to be less valuable even though it's the same cost, would be based completely on so: - Value. Let's put the value on a scale of 1/10 for it's usefulness. If it's scale is 8/10, that would mean it's extremely useful, worth more, and highly valued as an object. - Demand. Of course if an object is in high demand, you can put a number of prices on it. Here's some explanations on possible selling methods for items in demand: - You can sell items in bulk for a discounted price. Say the market value of 1 of said item is 100,000 Macca, and if you batch it in 50, that'd be 5million. So sell it for 4.5million. This shows that you're a good seller, most likely trustworthy, and people will buy from you again. Though what they don't know, is by doing this, you'll end up having people buy from you more often which results in more Macca flow.
- You can sell at market value or over market value. This is mostly a poor method of selling, that everyone seems to go by because they think this is the best method in assuring a high rate of Macca flow. In reality, it's the poorest method, no joke. Anyone can easily just go up next to you, and sell the same item for a way lower price, because you're being stingy on your selling price. People will notice this, and avoid your store. This will bring in not only less customers, but less income overall. If you do the above method mentioned, you'll sell your item faster.
- You can be the under-cutter seller. These people are highly disliked by other sellers, especially when they do the 1 Macca undercut.In fact, I purposely DON'T buy their items, even if it saves me 1 Macca.
- Cost. Since we're talking about CP, the cost must not be taken likely. The generic VA outfits you can buy for 30 CP, can sell for about 5 mill. That's 10 mill less than what the conversion rate is. Why? Because you didn't take into consideration the Value and Demand of the item, before purchasing it. The Generic VA pricing is based on this:
- How it looks. Depending on if it "looks pretty" or "looks cool" can take a huge effect on an items pricing.
- Originality. Depending on how common it is to see someone wearing this VA, can make a huge impact, regardless of how "cool it is.
- Ability to acquire said item. If it's as easy as going to the store, and just buying it, it'll cost less. Without RNG, skill, difficulty, etc. being taken into consideration, it will significantly lower the value.
- Seasonal, Exclusive, or Rare. This overall should increase the value of the item, UNLESS said item can be bought in a store regardless of it's season. Take the Christmas outfit as an example. It's basically like 100k, because not only can you get it in December, but you can buy it whenever at the VA store.
As for the Market for buyers, basically you'll just have to find people who can't afford actual money on CP, look around in your Klan's, or on this site. Someone is always looking to buy. Now i'll explain a bit more on the outlawed situation. For the problem of it being "outlawed" using real life money to gain virtual currency is just stupid. Especially since we aren't even supposed to be on these servers in the first place. So let me take a minute to explain it to you:
- Living in a foreign country, playing on a JP only server/game, is ban-able in itself. Heck, I completely understand and agree on their reasoning. Not only is their a bunch of technological issues involved, but it can kill the originality of the game. One thing is for certain though, if they didn't want us here, they would have put a region lock on the sign up/web page.
- What's the difference between selling CP for in-game currency, and selling the item bought from CP itself? Honestly, there is no difference other than the market value. Sure, you can be scammed easier when doing something involved with real money, but it'll be your fault for trusting the wrong person. It's also quite easy to avoid being scammed. Heck, I have easily made tens of thousands of purchases throughout my life, and only been scammed 1 time. And honestly that was my fault. I never really used Paypal, and never knew that gifting to someone could result in not being able to refund your money. My bad.
- Some people just can't buy CP. Some items are CP only, and can't be obtained any other way. Some people can not have a card, have a store that sells prepaid cards near them, or just is poor in general and can't afford one. When I was a kid, I was soooo damn poor. Never really had a mom, dad basically worked 24/7, and my non-active great grandparents raised me. Never really had lunch money for school so couldn't save that. So yeah, some people are just too poor irl, to afford CP, so their alternative would be using in-game currency to obtain it. Nothing wrong with that is there?
So just to recap some, the exchange rate doesn't go buy dollar spent, but by CP and Macca. 500k Macca per 1 CP. What they use to spend the CP, is their business.
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Post by Ink on Nov 9, 2015 16:57:15 GMT
lol bro u know he/shes talking about selling cp codes and not cp items for macca right if someone is sellin webmoney cards and claims to have the code @ hand and a scam happens, ya wanna know what consequences the scammer suffers? none b/c as 外人 we can't send in a report to cave and even have it regarded by them b/c we're all 外人 even w/ a middleman of some sort it's easy to forge proof ur talking about selling cp items for macca but idk how different it is from just selling stuff normally lmao
bottom line is u wont get banned if the transaction took place outside of the game but scamming is always a possibility and there are absolutely no consequences for the scammer
so dont do it lmao
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Post by yuichiru on Nov 9, 2015 17:42:47 GMT
I gave up on the idea, mostly cause I realised after I bought an online thing to buy CP one of the codes given to me was faulty so if that occurs and if it is the one I end up selling I will be the one screwed over and so will the person I am selling to. In which case I will be black listed by most of the players in the English community however small we are so I won't sell the codes if I buy.
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Post by ✧‧˚Quon✰ on Nov 9, 2015 19:16:42 GMT
That's your own fault lol
If you buy from unreliable sources you will get a faulty code, if you took the time to actually read the forum guides a bit you will find which sources are proven to work. Just starting the game without reading and understanding and going directly into mindless cashing isn't gonna get you far in the long run. If caught RMT'ing CAVE permabans without notice. I don't know how they can catch you but one possible way seems to exchange the codes through in-game chat, if they are able to read chatlogs.
Either way common sense dictates to READ GUIDES BEFORE STARTING or ur gonna spend the whole game not knowing how to read stats and which item is good or not
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Post by yuichiru on Nov 9, 2015 21:30:41 GMT
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Post by yuichiru on Nov 9, 2015 21:31:15 GMT
What is RMT'ing?
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Post by ✧‧˚Quon✰ on Nov 9, 2015 21:38:11 GMT
Real Money Trade, basically selling the CP codes in exchange of real life cash. SeaGM is a very reliable source, many people including me have used it and you're the first one who's apparently got a "faulty" code.. i'm 70% sure you forgot some letter or did not input it correctly in the webmoney interface.
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Post by yuichiru on Nov 9, 2015 21:40:48 GMT
Who said real life cash lol? Macca for codes (cough) But like I said in my previous post on me giving up "I gave up on it"
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Post by yuichiru on Nov 9, 2015 21:41:33 GMT
Real Money Trade, basically selling the CP codes in exchange of real life cash. SeaGM is a very reliable source, many people including me have used it and you're the first one who's apparently got a "faulty" code.. i'm 70% sure you forgot some letter or did not input it correctly in the webmoney interface. It was faulty, I tried the code multiple times from copy and paste to manual entry over and over and over again... Seriously, it was anoying doing it multiple times, but they replaced it cause.
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Post by ✧‧˚Quon✰ on Nov 9, 2015 21:57:52 GMT
Who said real life cash lol? Macca for codes (cough) But like I said in my previous post on me giving up "I gave up on it" no one is saying ur doing RMT lmao, thats one of the possible permabannable offenses so i just put it out there. as the jp wiki lists (translate better for ur convenience) these are what could get you permabanned:
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