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Post by otaner on Dec 22, 2015 9:54:13 GMT
Hi guys!
I'm thinking of starting my second demon, since my first is Mage, now it is time for Spinner Demon. In EN Server I had Wu Kong which I loved. Now, I'm on the other side of the force, I'm no longer on the dark side, I saw the light and followed it. So, I'm looking for a Law demon. I'm inclined to start an Hecatonchires, due to the fact that I just got his plugin, he is Law and because Heca has 0 HP cost for skills. I want to have the usual passives, Cls-r Booster X, Spin Booster X, Evolve 3 aiming for 4, but about the remaining skillset, I'm always passionate for almighty skills, because they were (in EN Server times) the strongest. But nowadays I see many of new skills which they seem very nice like Akashic Baritsu, Heaven Shaking Sword, and Magical Meteor. I tend to avoid elemental skills, because I hate surprises and elemental spins against same element demons are always a pain! So, I come before you guys asking for your precious advices: - Is Heca a nice demon for a Law Spinning Demon? If not, which demon should I have (I still don't have access for the most of plugin demons)? - What skills would you advise and how difficult will be to get those skills? I have no problem with WC skills, but fusion inherited skills might be a problem if they are from plugin demons! - To regain health (WC Runs) Vamp Cyclone could be useful?
Well, sorry for the long post, feel free to share any more information you think valid.
Thank you guys and wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Post by dukeeligor on Dec 22, 2015 13:51:09 GMT
Yes, Hecatonchires is a vey good spinning demon and once fused with a mitama, he get a +100% Blunt which makes Akashic Baritsu even more powerfull. Another good demon is Atavaka, you can get his plug-in by killing him in Nakano boundless domain ; he only have -50% (80 after mitama) HP cost but have a slash, blunt and Cls-r boost. If you don't mind using a neutral demon there also is Yoshitsune (you need him anyway if you want heaven shaking sword) you can get a variation plug-in at MT Kurama, this version have a lot of resistances, is easy to fuse, -50% incant/cooldown +30% to all damages, learn a powerfull spin (needed for heaven shaking sword) and after mitama get a -50% HP cost and +50% to his signature skill. But it take a long time to get the plug-in because it's very rare and you need three of them. I think the Seraph can be used as a spinning demon but his plug-in and the materials to fuse him are hard to get and he is better used as a fire user. Girimehkala is good too with his 0HP cost, +50% magic boost and after mitama he get +50% slash/blunt but you need to spend real money to get it.
I think the skills you listed are good, Akashic Baritsu, Heaven Shaking Sword, Magical meteor (in case you fight a demon immune to physical), You should add Mediarahan for healing, Cls-r booster X, Spin booster X, Evolve and for the last skill you could add Hot pursuit 2 or Godspeed 4 or maybe if you wait for the next Halloween you can have a skill that gives you +Lv*1 Cls-r and -Lv*1 vit. I don't known if almighty skills are a good idea, most of them are spell based and since you want a close range demon it might not be the best choice, but I don't know how strong fully rebirthed and mitamaed demons are, so it might actually be possible to use them, but if you do use them, don't forget to add godspeed 4 because these skills have horrible cooldown and incantation time (even with his -70% cooldown, my Anubis take forever to recharge Gate of Hell).
To get Akashic Baritsu you have to sacrifice a demon with Buddha's palm (learned by acc Tajikarao at lv 82) and Akasha art (Wildcat skill) For Heaven Shaking Sword you have to sacrifice Yoshitsune with Hassou tobi (learned at lv 90 by Hassou tobi Yoshitsune) and deathbound (can be obtained from wildcat and various demons), Hecatonchire can't learn it, so if you want to use him you should use another skill like Hades Blast (learned by acc Take Minakata at lv 94). You can get Godspeed 4 by sacrificing a demon with The Essence of Awarness and Incant booster 4 (they are both wildcat skills)
Mediarahan is better than Vamp cyclone because vamp cyclone is weak (it's power can be tripled by using a DF item but it's unavailable at the moment) and if you're fighting a demon who null magic you'll be unable to heal.
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Post by otaner on Dec 22, 2015 15:03:12 GMT
dukeeligorThank you so much for your reply. You sure gave me a lot to think of, that is nice. I liked your suggestion for Atavaka, but don't know if I'll be able to succeed in Nakano Boundless Domain (isn't this the run meant for damage dealers only? enhancers will fail?) I've also thought of Girimehkala, but dispite having some congratulation cards, it would take an awful while before getting the 500 necessary to get his plugin! I would love Seth or Samael, because of being a dragon like demon, and I love dragons but from reading, their plugins look so difficult (I've actually have a Seth I think from an event PG, but don't know if it is worth the trouble. So, so far I think I'll aim for: Hecatonchires with: Hakashic Baritsu Hades Blast Magical Meteor Mediarahan Cls-R Booster X Spin Booster X Evolve 3 (if possible 4) Hot Pursuit 2 or Godspeed 4 (depending on the vibe I'll get while building the skill set) Thank you so much for your help, Feel free to leave any more comments you think it may help me
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Post by sainosarete on Dec 22, 2015 16:07:03 GMT
An alternate for the congratulations cards is 150 essence of yetzirah, besides hack chip alpha - they can be obtained through masakado hard runs! Or you can buy 150 of them for roughly in the 30mil range or so, depending on seller. And to correct the statement on almighty... it may take alot of SP/work but there is a spin that is similiar to akashic baritsu where it is tri-stat (first being close range!!) and is almighty. World's End A megaten.sesshou.com/wiki/index.php/World%27s_End_Ver._ATo get it, you would need = Megidoraon + Close-Range Booster X on a sacrifice demon (in otherwords needs lvl90) Inexperienced slime learns Megidoraon at lvl50, and then you get 110k sp to get close range boost and close range boost x, since it requires you get the normal one before allowing you to buy close range booster x. Your demon to level 95 and have 90,000 SP on it. Edit = Just a reminder, not trying to change your mind. But figured I'd at least inform you of options for the future.
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Post by dukeeligor on Dec 22, 2015 17:40:20 GMT
You can't use your demon in Nakano Boundless Domain, so it'll be impossible if you can't deal damage yourself (but I think I saw videos of people doing it in team so it might be still possible for you to get the plug-in).
There also is the confidant variation of Girimehkala, but he's only obtainable during events and he have a feature that decrease his crit rate and LB power for the benefit of your character but since you' re not a damage dealer it'll be useless to you and makes the demon weaker.
I think the Seth you have must be this one : megaten.sesshou.com/wiki/index.php/Black_Storm_Illusion_Seth, He still have his spin boost but is weaker than the original, also, like the normal Seth, he is more suited for elemental spin. After some research, I've found that you can get an almighty Cls-r based spin from wildcat, it's called Hasso-Happa, is as powerful as a Megidola and have an incant time of only 0.1s but it's cooldown time is 150s.
You can also get Sea of Chaos by exchanging Tears that fall at the end of the world in Nakano Campsite, but it have a fixed incant and cooldown (5s and 20s which is not that bad). There also is Selfless Wail but it's CP only.
Edit : World's End A megaten.sesshou.com/wiki/index.php/World%27s_End_Ver._ATo get it, you would need = Megidoraon + Close-Range Booster X on a sacrifice demon (in otherwords needs lvl90) Inexperienced slime learns Megidoraon at lvl50, and then you get 110k sp to get close range boost and close range boost x, since it requires you get the normal one before allowing you to buy close range booster x. Your demon to level 95 and have 90,000 SP on it. Oh yeah, I forgot about this one, look like the best option if you want an almighty Cls-r spin, it might have a lower modifier than Hasso-Happa but since it use the three stats it'll do a lot more of damage.
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Post by Ink on Dec 22, 2015 20:00:13 GMT
world's end is better than hassou happa in the sense that it's not a frontal spin, hecaton can't use hassou happa anyways since it requires a weapon tag lol
also do NOT put magical meteor on hecaton under any circumstance, you're making him cls-r oriented, not spell so he would be doing terrible damage with it. also to top it off he's also 200% weak to mystic so one repel and he's instadead
don't put godspeed 4 since a fully rbed demon will cap out incant and cd easily
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Post by Eagle Vooky on Dec 22, 2015 21:55:44 GMT
Seth is a good spinner demon, 0% HP cost, null nerve, magic, mind, expell, death <3
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Post by otaner on Dec 23, 2015 14:54:31 GMT
So many replies Thank you all for your input. Let me say I don't have any problem with WC Skills, step by step I'll slowly do WC runs and eventually I'll get the required soul points. For me is harder to get plugin demons. Since plugins lies further ahead in my list of objectives. Hecatonchires (so, the Black Storm Illusion version of Seth is not worth the trouble to work for spinner demon?) with: Hakashic Baritsu Hades BlastMagical Meteor (It's a no no, Ink you make absolute sense, Hecatonchires weakness is magic (by the way now when we see mystic is actually what we called magic in EN Server?)) So I'll aim for: World's End AMediarahanCls-R Booster XSpin Booster XEvolve 3 (if possible 4)Hot Pursuit 2 or Godspeed 4 (depending on the vibe I'll get while building the skill set) As for Godspeed 4 Ink : what do you mean by a fully rebirth demon will cap out incant and cd? My Odin (not fully rebirth, but rb rnk 8 at Victory; Secrets; Change; Protection; Courage; Destruction; Travel; and Rnk 4 on Knowledge; Endurance; Harvest; Life; and Fate and it takes forever to cd on Megidoraon!) and he even has Technician (-50% CD) I don't think my gear has any boosts neither for incant nor cd. The gear does not have neither Soul Stones nor Tarots. My question is, should I get any (cheap) gear/SS/Tarots that boosts incant or cd for demon, or it won't really have any effect when I'll finish rb? It will be preferable to continue to bet on dmg boost for demon? To think of the game makes me think of the many questions I have. I read a lot on the forums, I keep tracking wiki sesshou, and I even check often wiki jp, and megatenonline official site, but the language barrier and some technicalities makes difficult for me to understand some things, so if someone likes to enlighten me, I'll be thankful 1. When we finish rebirth, the next objective should be to mitama the demon, but after mitama'd should he be rebirthed again, fully rebirthed?
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Post by Eagle Vooky on Dec 23, 2015 16:02:49 GMT
I don't like Illusion seth due he has 77% null on all the stuff I named before being imune to all that is one of the things I love about seth
His plugin is not that hard to farm anymore ;3
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Post by sainosarete on Dec 23, 2015 17:33:14 GMT
After Mitama, your demon loses all "rebirths" and you must rebirth them again to put mitamas in. Those mitamas give bonuses, which will come in handy! Like Fehu has incant (aria) & cooldown bonuses! Not to mention, if you get melee masakado sword (80-100m worth about), that adds -50% cooldown. It may not exactly stack as nicely with features, but it still helps. Not to mention, once completed, demons have nice stats. And pure stats also add up on the -% cd/incant. And a friend made this: www.sendspace.com/file/pxtvxaI found it easy/simple to use for mitama bonus planning. Do note, if it goes red - it is warning you if you go over what you have.
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