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Post by sainosarete on Feb 3, 2016 20:29:06 GMT
So I'm interested in a cup of babylon demon. I got the event tzitzimtl. I know it requires proper gear, dsouls, df, etc etc.. But I'm not sure what demon to go with.
I've tried asking and so far I've been told two things:
1: get mother harlot, samael for best result. Maybe vivian. All others are shit tier.
2: pick any demon, as long as you rebirth and mitama, and get *insert 6 dsoul names*, this and that
But I know much support is needed and other boosts, making deciding hard.
So I wanted to know what some other people's thoughts are and what you might suggest.
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Post by fisto on Feb 3, 2016 22:05:00 GMT
People say those demons because it is very hard to get enough damage otherwise, even with those demons it is hard to get decent damage. I for one am going to be using Ananta and expect him to be sub par damage wise but I don't care He has decent support but lacks just about everything else for a cup demon. If you want to use, I don't know, Frost Ace you will be spending more time and money then if you went with a high support / almighty demon. I don't know enough however to say what demons can or can't 30k with cups if that is what you want to know, it is only a mod 75 skill so getting decent damage out of it will be tonnes of work. Either way it is a significant investment to make a cup demon, you might as well enjoy looking at it.
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Post by sainosarete on Feb 3, 2016 22:12:59 GMT
I don't expect mine to be as good as some of the pros, at least not straight away And only demon plugins I have with almighty boost are Azazel and Tokisada. But I have an inex tokisada well rebirthed. Yet at the same time, I kinda wanted to be unique and not copy other peoples choices.
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Post by Vincnette on Feb 3, 2016 23:04:26 GMT
Now let's do a tiny analysis on what makes a cup attack stronk The following elements will boost cup damage: - Raw support stats (obviously Mother Harlot and Samael excel above all in this category thanks to their feature which directly raises cup's power by 20-25%, but mage demons usually come with fairly high int/support too. E.g: Anat, Ishtar, Isis...)
- Almighty affinity boost (demons with Prodigy or The One of God's Image features will have an advantage: Michael, Abraxas, Tokisada... or you know, you can just buy Almighty-boosting epitaphs and DF orbs)
- Support damage boost: The hardest modifier to raise for cup, thus one of the most effective ones This includes Hagalaz type's +5/10% of all damage dealt mitama bonus (note that features like Nobility, Eight Mind, Goddess of Sun do not raise support damage despite saying all magic. Honestly it's a simple mis-translation). Gear-wise, as far as I know, only a tarot boosts demon's support damage (and it's pricey af)
- Shot action type booster (Shot booster/high booster will do the job, tho you can add stuffs like Samael/Trumpeter/Harlot+Trumpeter DS or forcefeed your demon with stuffs until the DF parameter decides to be nice and spits some +50% shot damage passive)
- Limit break power boost: Might as well be the easiest modifier to raise gear-wise Provided that your demon has high lbc, this modifier comes in pretty handy.
So as you see, demons like Harlot, Samael, Tokisada... do have an advantage over others. But it doesn't mean you can't get good cup damage with another peep. It will just take more effort. Do note that summon sync does absolutely nothing to raise support damage so no need to choose a thing with same alignment.
P/s: In case you already utilise technical attack on your demon, it's a good idea to increase as much chance/damage as possible too. As TAD doesn't have a limit, you can deal TAD several times the original damage, which will be really beneficial for skills with low modifier and a near-non-existent general damage boost like cup.
P/s 2: Sorry for rambling stuffs that everyone might have known about ^^;
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Post by sainosarete on Feb 4, 2016 0:52:36 GMT
That's fine, I am just worried if I pick one based off looks, could it still work out? But then I worry about the support, because it's important. I mean, with this event I can always save a couple just incase but I don't like the idea of possibly wasting time and macca.
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Post by blazbluehero on Feb 4, 2016 1:51:03 GMT
Now let's do a tiny analysis on what makes a cup attack stronk The following elements will boost cup damage: - Raw support stats (obviously Mother Harlot and Samael excel above all in this category thanks to their feature which directly raises cup's power by 20-25%, but mage demons usually come with fairly high int/support too. E.g: Anat, Ishtar, Isis...)
- Almighty affinity boost (demons with Prodigy or The One of God's Image features will have an advantage: Michael, Abraxas, Tokisada... or you know, you can just buy Almighty-boosting epitaphs and DF orbs)
- Support damage boost: The hardest modifier to raise for cup, thus one of the most effective ones This includes Hagalaz type's +5/10% of all damage dealt mitama bonus (note that features like Nobility, Eight Mind, Goddess of Sun do not raise support damage despite saying all magic. Honestly it's a simple mis-translation). Gear-wise, as far as I know, only a tarot boosts demon's support damage (and it's pricey af)
- Shot action type booster (Shot booster/high booster will do the job, tho you can add stuffs like Samael/Trumpeter/Harlot+Trumpeter DS or forcefeed your demon with stuffs until the DF parameter decides to be nice and spits some +50% shot damage passive)
- Limit break power boost: Might as well be the easiest modifier to raise gear-wise Provided that your demon has high lbc, this modifier comes in pretty handy.
So as you see, demons like Harlot, Samael, Tokisada... do have an advantage over others. But it doesn't mean you can't get good cup damage with another peep. It will just take more effort. Do note that summon sync does absolutely nothing to raise support damage so no need to choose a thing with same alignment.
P/s: In case you already utilise technical attack on your demon, it's a good idea to increase as much chance/damage as possible too. As TAD doesn't have a limit, you can deal TAD several times the original damage, which will be really beneficial for skills with low modifier and a near-non-existent general damage boost like cup.
P/s 2: Sorry for rambling stuffs that everyone might have known about ^^;
That's ok... I didn't know TAD didn't have a limit... w
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Post by funi on Feb 4, 2016 3:30:49 GMT
Well at the moment i'm using a Bai Suzhen with epi's and almighty/shot df and i'm hitting 20k with 35k TA, 29.8k and 50+k TA when digi'd and she is still very much a work in progress. So in all honesty i'd say it depends on how much you want to put into your demon. Any decent mage demon like Vincnette said will hit similar numbers with the same gear/etc as i don't even use Bai Suzhen's Lvl *0.5 int feature any more. Vinc pretty much covered the basics above but if you want any other advice in the future just poke me in clan XD
I'm planning on picking up an event Tzit myself to get another cup and making a cup Lilim also to see what i can get out of her. Because i'm an idiot, and i love Lilims <3
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Post by rutee on Feb 4, 2016 18:55:53 GMT
Vincnette really summed up most points. Remember that you can check base support stat post-mitama here if you want an idea of what a certain demon will be working with: artifact.sumomo.ne.jp/imagine/Ananta, Rapture Nyx, Black Maria are the raw stat leads (without features into account), but once your Sammy/Harlot is a decent level that feature kicks into overdrive - an extra 98 support translates to a huge amount of damage if you're geared to optimize it. If you pick someone outside the obvious picks of Samael/Harlot, you will have to put more macca into getting results. Even Vivian and Bai Suzhen, who have similar but weaker features, will need much better gear to get the same results. But this is really universal - you can pick whatever demon you want, it's just a matter of how far down that rabbit hole of gear/df/epitaphs you're willing to go to make up for their inherent disadvantages. In my case, I find it more enjoyable to work on demons like that, and I don't mind it being a longer process (after all, to me, if I don't have a project like that I stop feeling the urge to log in lol) but if you think it might be more frustrating than fun, keep that in mind.
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Post by Ink on Feb 4, 2016 20:55:55 GMT
another pretty unique demon to use cup with somewhat effectively would probably be horus it's painfully hard to boost cup dmg to a satisfactory amount with any other demon but if you really want the absolute best cup dmg.. but even with them it's STILL hard
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Post by ayserunia on Feb 9, 2016 7:18:27 GMT
Getting cup to max damage?
Difficulty: Samael/Harlot - Very very very hard Other demon - Very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very hard.
Unless you have billions of budget to spend on Gears and has a very good RNG on DFs you'll be fine either way.
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