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Post by FireVodka on Jun 3, 2015 12:53:58 GMT
Hello, my name is Andre. I play Megaten for 6 years (since May 2009) and I served as Sub for many Brazilian/Portuguese-speaking clans (MadeInBr, LightBr, HunterBr and FairyTbr being the most known). Created account for JP server 2 months ago and im still tring to recriate my old chars and stuff. Megaten is a game that grabbed my attention for its different view of a MMORPG. But the main reason that made me play this game so long its was not really its gameplay: it was the community that was always helpful, polite and open minded. Whenever I needed to do some runs, to trade, to talk or ask about something etc, people were always polite and understanding and, above all, there was respect. Unfortunately, in my opinion, that is deteorating in the JP server as i see amongst the international community some bad examples (notice that im not generalising), which makes it to the main subject of a healthy and frontal discussion I want to create. Now, straight to the point: I am a normal clan member at Plucky (which is Portuguese-speaking too) and i have been, many times, "bombarded" by messages of people who talk in our backs or even PM's calling all of us of leechers. Just like that: if you are a Plucky member, people regard you automatically as a lazy leecher that takes advantage of everyone good will. I find it extremely offensive because i always try to to things by my own and, of course, many of us try hard to get better and stronger so we stop asking for help and stp bothering other people. But what really pisses me off is that you generalize and can not understand that progress has being made towards fixing abuses of some members. this was one of those moments i am talking about The text is in Spanish, but basically we were in a party at a DM when I (accidently) kill a player twice via reflect, accidently of course. His/her reaction was to automatically curse just because i am from Plucky. Wasnt i lucky of being able to understand what that player was saying Facing this, the problem for me isn't to ignore the players. A click on the block button solves that perfectly. However, my main problem is the sharing of wrong opinions and the misunderstandings that the community may defend and, addind to that, the judging that is tearing innocent players apart from the community. The problems have been discussed internally and there were some improvements but it seems it is not enough. So i would like to ask all of you who read the entire post what is wrong. Because I don't want to play in a game where everyone looks aside and s***** on us. God, why would I even help this community grow when it looks I am playing with a community similiar to League of Legends? What will i say to my friends that want to play on the only clan they have played for? "I dont know if you shoud sign in, since everyone will curse at you since you will be at Plucky >.<". Hell no! As I said before, we are aware of the problems and abuses. Some rule changes are proving effective so lets stop being dicks please, some of you are not helping at all. Lets all be grown ups, talk and fix this please. Thanks for your atention and I appreciate people give some feedback. "What a sad era when it is easier to smash an atom than a prejudice" - Albert Einstein
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Post by Vincnette on Jun 3, 2015 13:54:11 GMT
Wow, I just used ggtrans to translate a sentence and boy, isn't it rude .__. Worse thing it is, it is someone I know, and he is not exactly known for being courteous either. But I assure you, guys like him are really few and far between, all the people I know have never held any bad impression on Plucky just because of a kid's mistake.
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Post by FireVodka on Jun 3, 2015 14:58:10 GMT
Wow, I just used ggtrans to translate a sentence and boy, isn't it rude .__. Worse thing it is, it is someone I know, and he is not exactly known for being courteous either. But I assure you, guys like him are really few and far between, all the people I know have never held any bad impression on Plucky just because of a kid's mistake. They are more than you think, and this is the only proof I got because we always tried to ingore and try harder but patience has limits. Thats why our clan (me in our case since im the most fluent in English) had to let the community know that there is something wrong and also to hear what you have to say about us our attitudes btw, thanks for the opinion ^^
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Post by akashanotenshi on Jun 3, 2015 20:58:56 GMT
I believe you are watching the MT community through nostalgia googles. This community has always been as warped as it is now. The only reason it shows so much at these times, is because it is a lot smaller. Nothing will make this kind of people change. It has always been something present and somehow we got used to it like it was part of us all along. I'm sorry you have to deal with such situation. The content of that chat it's just not right.
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Post by gamirt on Jun 3, 2015 23:07:24 GMT
Seriously, why do people mind 'leeching'? I've been leeching for half a year until I got my demons and gear done to fight myself (without using any CP) and never experienced anything bad reactions. On the contrary, I've been told to not fight if I can't 1 hit because it makes everything slower, to which I agree if the purpose of the run is SP or whatever. Now I can solo every run in which a demon can step in and would not expect from someone new, or with fresh demon/gear to be strong or fight. I'd actually prefer to be the nice highbie and help people through runs. Or when I do something alone, or for friends if there's space anyone can join, no matter the strength since I'd solo anyway and reading a lively party chat meanwhile is always nice. What I do hate however is people that are strong enough to fight and are just being lazy a-holes each time *cough*
I've meet some of the 'Can you get me clothes from bazar/Can you give me money/Can you get me wings?' epidemy though, but never checked in what clan they might be (they change it often because of getting kicked i'd assume) in or associated a whole clan to that behavior. Also, that was a DM, right? Without you, the XP would have been lesser (an accident is an accident and it had nothing to do with that person's aversion, if you would have not fought you'd still be called a leecher by idiots).I'd only mind dying because of digitaraizu That's what I love about the JP server (and sometimes hate when I can't fill a party), but every party member helps, by just joining the party.
PS: My favorite hobby is to try how much I can damage myself with ice demolition bash in sugi bronze)
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Post by FireVodka on Jun 4, 2015 1:58:20 GMT
I believe you are watching the MT community through nostalgia googles. This community has always been as warped as it is now. The only reason it shows so much at these times, is because it is a lot smaller. Nothing will make this kind of people change. It has always been something present and somehow we got used to it like it was part of us all along. I'm sorry you have to deal with such situation. The content of that chat it's just not right. I agree with what you said... Pretty much shows a periferic and more complete view of this
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Post by FireVodka on Jun 4, 2015 2:07:26 GMT
Seriously, why do people mind 'leeching'? I've been leeching for half a year until I got my demons and gear done to fight myself (without using any CP) and never experienced anything bad reactions. On the contrary, I've been told to not fight if I can't 1 hit because it makes everything slower, to which I agree if the purpose of the run is SP or whatever. Now I can solo every run in which a demon can step in and would not expect from someone new, or with fresh demon/gear to be strong or fight. I'd actually prefer to be the nice highbie and help people through runs. Or when I do something alone, or for friends if there's space anyone can join, no matter the strength since I'd solo anyway and reading a lively party chat meanwhile is always nice. What I do hate however is people that are strong enough to fight and are just being lazy a-holes each time *cough* I've meet some of the 'Can you get me clothes from bazar/Can you give me money/Can you get me wings?' epidemy though, but never checked in what clan they might be (they change it often because of getting kicked i'd assume) in or associated a whole clan to that behavior. Also, that was a DM, right? Without you, the XP would have been lesser (an accident is an accident and it had nothing to do with that person's aversion, if you would have not fought you'd still be called a leecher by idiots).I'd only mind dying because of digitaraizu That's what I love about the JP server (and sometimes hate when I can't fill a party), but every party member helps, by just joining the party. PS: My favorite hobby is to try how much I can damage myself with ice demolition bash in sugi bronze) It depends on the context, but in our (your's and our's) case, anyone who is able to think will take that type of leeching lightly. I was just pissed because it wasn't the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time that I had to hear someone insulting while I work towards being less dependable
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Post by sainosarete on Jun 4, 2015 3:59:18 GMT
If it makes you feel any better..
I myself, haven't judged you or your clan in this way. I maybe only ran with some of you guys 2-3 times?
First time was DM90. And I wasn't happy with the results. But it wasn't because of you guys. Your clanmates did put an effort to help. What I didn't like, was because none of the party members was strong enough to deal with the room fast enough and that we finished DM90 1-2 seconds before it was about to hit 0. I did not however, put the blame on the plucky members. Instead, I made it a thing to get better so that I maybe able to avoid such close call.
Another time was wildcat - again NO issues there, the member was trying his or her best - and that's all I could ever ask for.
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Post by Vincnette on Jun 4, 2015 13:15:06 GMT
Seriously, why do people mind 'leeching'? I've been leeching for half a year until I got my demons and gear done to fight myself (without using any CP) and never experienced anything bad reactions. On the contrary, I've been told to not fight if I can't 1 hit because it makes everything slower, to which I agree if the purpose of the run is SP or whatever. Now I can solo every run in which a demon can step in and would not expect from someone new, or with fresh demon/gear to be strong or fight. I'd actually prefer to be the nice highbie and help people through runs. Or when I do something alone, or for friends if there's space anyone can join, no matter the strength since I'd solo anyway and reading a lively party chat meanwhile is always nice. What I do hate however is people that are strong enough to fight and are just being lazy a-holes each time *cough* I personally don't mind people leeching, and it's exactly as you said: In runs like mirage wc, you either 1-2hit KO mobs or you leave them alone - getting locked from mobs and having to chase after scattered mobs are really annoying and time-consuming. However, if you plan to require help from Japanese players, you should notify them right away that you cannot damage yet, else they will assume that you can carry yourself/do a side/etc and the situation might escalate into an unpleasant one.
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Post by FireVodka on Jun 4, 2015 13:19:24 GMT
If it makes you feel any better.. I myself, haven't judged you or your clan in this way. I maybe only ran with some of you guys 2-3 times? First time was DM90. And I wasn't happy with the results. But it wasn't because of you guys. Your clanmates did put an effort to help. What I didn't like, was because none of the party members was strong enough to deal with the room fast enough and that we finished DM90 1-2 seconds before it was about to hit 0. I did not however, put the blame on the plucky members. Instead, I made it a thing to get better so that I maybe able to avoid such close call. Another time was wildcat - again NO issues there, the member was trying his or her best - and that's all I could ever ask for. I see whatyou mean. Certainly they aren't pleasent situations but im glad you had another vision on the problem instead of only cursing. But hey, we are working on it and in a couple of weeks situations like that will be unlikely to repeat
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Post by FireVodka on Jun 4, 2015 13:28:56 GMT
I personally don't mind people leeching, and it's exactly as you said: In runs like mirage wc, you either 1-2hit KO mobs or you leave them alone - getting locked from mobs and having to chase after scattered mobs are really annoying and time-consuming. However, if you plan to require help from Japanese players, you should notify them right away that you cannot damage yet, else they will assume that you can carry yourself/do a side/etc and the situation might escalate into an unpleasant one. These are a part of the basic "ettiquette" that people should have in mind but its always nice to remember ^^
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Post by johnbeyond on Jun 4, 2015 21:36:25 GMT
I will say this in 3 languages. If you say you have been playing Megaten for 6 years. Why you behave like a noob? In DM you make me die 2 times for the same stupid mistake, "Reflect". I saved your life 3 times in the same DM and even you didnt revive me. Well, how do you want me to think? To be honest, In addition, all members of your clan do nothing when they're with other people in a Run. Everyone knows “plucky members” are useless in all runs.
Te dire esto en 3 idiomas. Si dices que llevas jugando Megaten por 6 años. Porque te comportas como un noob? En el DM me haces morir 2 veces por el mismo estúpido error, "Reflejo". Te salve la vida 3 veces en el mismo DM y ni siquiera me reviviste. Pues, entonces como quiere que piense? Para ser sincero. Además, los miembros de su clan no hacen nada cuando están con otras personas en una Run. Todos saben que son inútiles en las runs.
Eu vou dizer isto em 3 idiomas. Se você disser que tenho jogado Megaten por 6 anos. Porque você se comporta como um noob? No DM você me faz morrer duas vezes para o mesmo erro estúpido, "Reflect". Salvei sua vida 3 vezes na mesma DM e mesmo que você não me reviveu. Bem, então como é que você quer que eu penso? Para ser honesto, além disso, todos os membros de seu clã não fazer nada quando estão com outras pessoas em uma "Run". Todo mundo sabe "membros plucky" são inúteis em todas as "Runs".
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Post by akashanotenshi on Jun 4, 2015 22:17:15 GMT
I'm going to write this and close the thread, not for the sake of censorship, but to prevent the matter to grow any further.
Disclaimer: The following is not specifically aimed at johnbeyond but to anyone that one way or another ends up behaving this way.
No one forces you to run with others. If you can't stand the way others play simply avoid them and play alone. Nothing entitles you to tell them how much they suck. Reflect kill? lol and move on with it, period. They leech? Did you ask the party if someone was being helped with the runs at hand? I've leeched both out of incapacity and out of laziness and no one ever called me on it. People not reviving you? I never do. I don't know if they want devildoc or have balms, is not up for me to meddle unless asked, and many players are just too shy to ask on the spot(laugh if you want).
In short, if you are sooo good to be qualified to judge others then play alone. Why trouble them with the mighty sight of your awesomeness?
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