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Post by Metis on Apr 26, 2014 5:58:52 GMT
Hi, Sesshou. First of all, I'm sorry to hear about this. You've been doing great for the community that I think you should not be the one to turn out to be a victim, and as well as everyone else. Allow me to deliver the theory which my friend - who belongs to West Imp - and I came to when we were chatting on Skype last night GMT+7. Like what everyone else above said, the reason for your ban cannot be caused by your owning multiple accounts since, as already stated, Megaten has no objection against it. While just owning them doesn't matter, it is how you operate them that does.
There are 3 people banned including you, and they're all from West Imp. Is that just a coincidence? I'd like to think it is, but when I asked around the JP players about how their perspectives are towards the clan, they gave negative. Moreover, my skyping friend confirmed that it is most likely due to the bias of the Japanese players/groups for the clan. I never entered Imp so I cannot say much about what's going on.
Unfortunately, despite the name of your thread, I cannot give you any advice for what to do. I tried to ask my JP friends if the ban could be only temporary but they're not sure themselves. Although, I really hope it is. You've been helping me and other English players a lot.
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Post by Foxnull on Apr 26, 2014 8:11:31 GMT
Hi, Sesshou. First of all, I'm sorry to hear about this. You've been doing great for the community that I think you should not be the one to turn out to be a victim, and as well as everyone else. Allow me to deliver the theory which my friend - who belongs to West Imp - and I came to when we were chatting on Skype last night GMT+7. Like what everyone else above said, the reason for your ban cannot be caused by your owning multiple accounts since, as already stated, Megaten has no objection against it. While just owning them doesn't matter, it is how you operate them that does. There are 3 people banned including you, and they're all from West Imp. Is that just a coincidence? I'd like to think it is, but when I asked around the JP players about how their perspectives are towards the clan, they gave negative. Moreover, my skyping friend confirmed that it is most likely due to the bias of the Japanese players/groups for the clan. I never entered Imp so I cannot say much about what's going on. So recently, about 1 PM Japanese time, there was one person online on the Japanese clan I was adopted to. I decided to ask directly about how they think about the clan. Please note that they were speaking through Google Translate. I would post the full conversation here but to respect Lagunite, I decide not to. However, if you want it, please ask me privately through the message or my skype raelyn.chiang. Unfortunately, despite the name of your thread, I cannot give you any advice for what to do. I tried to ask them if the ban could be only temporary but they're not sure themselves. Although, I really hope it is. You've been helping me and other English players a lot. What exactly are they complaining about? Someone sold something for an unreasonable price or made a illegitimate trade? I dont exactly understand what any of these 3 people did to garner the disrespect of the JP players. Thats worth investigating on its own merit. Though it does beg the question, are they being targeted because of the clan they belong to, because of their actions, or simply because they're foreigners? Its all very troubling, im hoping it dosent spread to the rest of the clans.
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Post by Metis on Apr 26, 2014 12:09:08 GMT
In the screenshot above, I'm only implying about the response from a Japanese to the clan being negative. If a Japanese even knows the clan, then I assume Imp must be some sort of famous/infamous in their eyes. This is just a theory.
The statement "It cannot perform action at a party well・・・" doesn't necessarily refer to someone's potential in a party, but it talks about how someone violates or abuses something in the process of a run when they do it with Japanese players. The only fitting description about this is Diaspora run, since you do it with everyone in a huge team.
This is a mere assumption, but maybe when someone from Imp did diaspora, they did something that indirectly offended JP players or sort of. As for the reason why the three become the victim, I can only suspect that it is due to the clan they belong to. It can't be because you are a gaijin. That's the only thing I can think about.
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Post by sesshou on Apr 26, 2014 17:50:42 GMT
I had kept my clan title hidden, keeping it to the demon buster code-word. The only way a (non-GM) would know I was in west-imp, was if they knew indirectly or recognized the clan emblem. Now, I had only recently started putting up a buy request on the trade-list. A single item, looking for a red jack parts for 40mil (with no text in the comment box). I severely hope that wasn't the reason I was banned..
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Post by Metis on Apr 26, 2014 18:12:04 GMT
I had kept my clan title hidden, keeping it to the demon buster code-word. The only way a (non-GM) would know I was in west-imp, was if they knew indirectly or recognized the clan emblem. Now, I had only recently started putting up a buy request on the trade-list. A single item, looking for a red jack parts for 40mil (with no text in the comment box). I severely hope that wasn't the reason I was banned.. Believe it or not, West Imp is quite popular among the Japanese players. Either it is because of their contribution to the game or the members with its emblem constantly being seen around Babel, partying for DM, etc. Therefore, hiding the emblem is not too effective to keep your identity unknown. I don't know the exact appropriate price for that so I can't say anything for sure, but if it were the reason for your ban, the punishment shouldn't be this severe. What I've been thinking is, the reason why they targeted you must be because you were seen in Babel a lot.
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Post by sesshou on Apr 26, 2014 18:52:37 GMT
I had kept my clan title hidden, keeping it to the demon buster code-word. The only way a (non-GM) would know I was in west-imp, was if they knew indirectly or recognized the clan emblem. Now, I had only recently started putting up a buy request on the trade-list. A single item, looking for a red jack parts for 40mil (with no text in the comment box). I severely hope that wasn't the reason I was banned.. Believe it or not, West Imp is quite popular among the Japanese players. Either it is because of their contribution to the game or the members with its emblem constantly being seen around Babel, partying for DM, etc. Therefore, hiding the emblem is not too effective to keep your identity unknown. I don't know the exact appropriate price for that so I can't say anything for sure, but if it were the reason for your ban, the punishment shouldn't be this severe. What I've been thinking is, the reason why they targeted you must be because you were seen in Babel a lot. Alas, a reason like that is scarier It is were something as benign as that, I wouldn't go near the game / company to save my life. But then again, this is Cave...
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Post by Metis on Apr 26, 2014 19:12:52 GMT
Believe it or not, West Imp is quite popular among the Japanese players. Either it is because of their contribution to the game or the members with its emblem constantly being seen around Babel, partying for DM, etc. Therefore, hiding the emblem is not too effective to keep your identity unknown. I don't know the exact appropriate price for that so I can't say anything for sure, but if it were the reason for your ban, the punishment shouldn't be this severe. What I've been thinking is, the reason why they targeted you must be because you were seen in Babel a lot. Alas, a reason like that is scarier It is were something as benign as that, I wouldn't go near the game / company to save my life. But then again, this is Cave... I know.. and I would like to believe that they decided to ban people of your clan randomly. Or rather, I would like to think that the whole stuff is not involving your clan's name, but the idea about three people from Imp getting banned at the same time is hard to believe as a mere coincidence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 19:55:20 GMT
If that's the reason then its pure bullshit. I kept to myself, never harassed anyone, the few Japanese players I spoke to were very considerate and understanding that I didn't speak their language. I never even used TL or PL. I stuck to parties with my clan members and other English speaking clan members only. If anyone said I did anything dishonest then its purely speculation or someone who just plain doesn't like us there and wanted to send a message. Or maybe someone was jealous I got the apocalypse set and made something up. At any rate, I'm done bothering with it, there's plenty of other games I can put my efforts towards. Thanks to everyone for all the hospitality and help in my brief time playing. I hope this doesn't happen to any of you guys.
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Post by Metis on Apr 26, 2014 20:02:49 GMT
If that's the reason then its pure bullshit. I kept to myself, never harassed anyone, the few Japanese players I spoke to were very considerate and understanding that I didn't speak their language. I never even used TL or PL. I stuck to parties with my clan members and other English speaking clan members only. If anyone said I did anything dishonest then its purely speculation or someone who just plain doesn't like us there and wanted to send a message. Or maybe someone was jealous I got the apocalypse set and made something up. At any rate, I'm done bothering with it, there's plenty of other games I can put my efforts towards. Thanks to everyone for all the hospitality and help in my brief time playing. I hope this doesn't happen to any of you guys. It was a mere theory and moreover, not directly targeted to you. I know you all three are victims and we're trying to make something clear here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 20:33:55 GMT
Did you all buy webmoney cards from the same place? The only thing I can think of is if that vendor was cheating with the cards somehow, then y'all would end up getting the shaft.
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Post by sesshou on Apr 26, 2014 20:43:11 GMT
Did you all buy webmoney cards from the same place? The only thing I can think of is if that vendor was cheating with the cards somehow, then y'all would end up getting the shaft. I don't think so. I have a webmoney account that I put all the money into, that I then use to buy CP. This account still is ok, no mention of chargeback or ban from webmoney. I am wondering if it is something to do with CP or being a foreigner that have things they "shouldn't"... I had also gotten the apocalypse set.
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Post by Estra on Apr 26, 2014 20:43:52 GMT
I think it's just as strange to think it's because they belonged to the clan? It's a completely full clan. For three members to have all their accounts banned (especially when a majority of the alts weren't in the clan) seems odd in the very least. If the clan was being targeted, wouldn't aiming for the players that are most active be easier?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2014 20:44:56 GMT
If that's the reason then its pure bullshit. I kept to myself, never harassed anyone, the few Japanese players I spoke to were very considerate and understanding that I didn't speak their language. I never even used TL or PL. I stuck to parties with my clan members and other English speaking clan members only. If anyone said I did anything dishonest then its purely speculation or someone who just plain doesn't like us there and wanted to send a message. Or maybe someone was jealous I got the apocalypse set and made something up. At any rate, I'm done bothering with it, there's plenty of other games I can put my efforts towards. Thanks to everyone for all the hospitality and help in my brief time playing. I hope this doesn't happen to any of you guys. It was a mere theory and moreover, not directly targeted to you. I know you all three are victims and we're trying to make something clear here. No offense meant, just venting.
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Post by lagunite on Apr 26, 2014 20:54:07 GMT
Metis/Akairin...if this japanese person dont like me, it dont have anything with their banned account. Xenepic was banned too and he wasnt in our clan, he was in Arbalest clan. So you really should delete this post...it is making sound as i am the problem. You think Cave is banning my clannies because they dont like me? Im sure they arent kids liek this.
PS: A japanese person complaining about the price i set on my items is laughable. Japan players dont complain about this, so i suspect this post is a lie...probably another english player who couldnt buy a item of my bazzar.
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Post by Metis on Apr 26, 2014 21:09:58 GMT
Metis/Akairin...if this japanese person dont like me, it dont have anything with their banned account. Xenepic was banned too and he wasnt in our clan, he was in Arbalest clan. So you really should delete this post...it is making sound as i am the problem. You think Cave is banning my clannies because they dont like me? Im sure they arent kids liek this. PS: A japanese person complaining about the price i set on my items is laughable. Okay, First of all, I did not mean in the slightest to make you look bad, I respect you as a fellow English player. This "Japanese" I was speaking with does not necessarily imply that they don't like you, and furthermore, cave is banning your clannies not because of you, but due to the bias of Japanese towards your clan. I don't exactly know what your clan does but if your three clannies are banned simultaneously, there has to be something. My friend did not complain about the price you put on or such, it must be the error the Google Translate made and thus the translation result looked like that.
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